Facesmasher - I just don't know how you can't
get caught up in the hype if you know the whole history. I mean, not to start anything, but you said:
facesmasher wrote:I just dont have the uber respect like some some do for bjj or the Gracie & Muchado tribes. In my oppinion they just exspounded upon submission grappling and threw a Gi in, now everyone thinks that they are gods.
It's not like they were taught freestyle submission wrestling or anything like that, they were taught Kodokan Judo, which was also a newly developed system at the time, and they expounded upon that
. Mind you jiu jitsu is now a combination of wrestling, freestyle, judo, sambo, etc. initially thanks to Rolls Gracie. I would never equate the Gracies to God, but they're far from average. Look at Rickson - he earned his black belt in 1980, at the age of 18, and has never been tapped in competition. As a matter of fact, nobody has ever come forth claiming to have tapped him OUTSIDE of competition.
To this day, there are testimonies of current jiu jitsu greats praising him. The most recent was Andre Galvao, who claimed Rickson had tapped him multiple times and he himself hadn't managed a single submission. Other BJJ athletes who spare no hyperboles towards Rickson's skill on the mat are Demian Maia, Nino Schembri, Paulo Filho, Royce Gracie, and Ricardo Arona, to name a few. I'm not the best person to ask, but I can't say enough about Royler, I know Jon Frost recently enjoyed a seminar with him. I could obviously go on, but I'll be talking your ear off with information you're already aware of...I just don't understand how you can talk about them in jest like that, even if you knew what an armbar was before 1993.
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